Monday, February 02, 2009

The Emotional Violence of Jewish Advocacy

Gideon Levy a Ha’aretz newspaper reporter recently asked: “If Israelis were so sure of the rightness of their cause, why the violent intolerance they display toward everyone who tries to make a different case?”

In "Survival Instinct or Jewish Paranoia?" my favorite shrink, ex-Israeli Avigail Barbanel writes that, “The implications of seeing the conflict from within the lens of Jewish trauma are very serious. Can we really negotiate with this? Can we explain to Israelis that their perspective on life and on the conflict is seriously flawed? If we tried will they listen, and do the Palestinians have time to wait until they do?”

It seems that Americans are kind of in an abusive marriage situation with Israel, where because love and friendship are assumed to be there, the abused partner keeps feeling guilty and acting hyper-responsible, and tries even harder to please the abuser. Many Americans maintain friendships with pro-Israel Jews and simply decide not to discuss politics; however there is an emotional blackmail going on because if you did mention Israel or Jewish-American genocidalism, the relationship would be over.

I was just thinking today about the aspect of emotional violence within Israel advocacy techniques that are used to shut down discussion about Jewish destructive behavior patterns or the State of Israel. This method is used against Gentiles primarily. Sometimes there is even a good cop-bad cop routine, with groups ganging up on someone to try and make the person feel ashamed for their alleged anti-semitism.

A Gentile in America, even a child, is raised to accept a very heavy sense of personal responsibility that far exceeds anyone else's normal sense of personal responsibility. It creates a neurotic personality who is always feeling guilty and thus is too weak to stand up to Zionist criminal behavior and the comical, obviously non-factual Zionist ideology.

Jews in America are socially empowered to go way beyond the learned trauma of the Jewish experience that results in typical reactionary behavior. They actually participate in group behavior that is deliberately manipulative and abusive - aimed at punishing activists who stand up for human equality and justice. Over the years, US Jews have become increasingly nutty not only due to current events but due to the internet "alerts" coming to them from Jewish lobbyists, who solidify their brains in this self-righteous fantasy world where Hamas is a terrorist organization, where Israel has some kind of right to kill and rob non-Jews.

So we are dealing with not only dangerous reactions based on past trauma - actually learned trauma based on a glorified and fictionalized past - but American Jews are actually being trained since childhood to interact with non-Jews in a deceitful and arrogant manner, in coordination with each other, to emotionally destroy Gentiles and Israel critics, in addition to wrecking their careers and interfering with their social relationships. This is actually deliberate, wicked, planned behavior motivated by a narcissistic self-righteous fury.

I think it's impossible to help heal Jews from Zionism without first somehow snapping off that connection with the Lobbyists. Mainstream gullible Jews and their dishrag friends tend to naively believe anything racist against Muslims – even from someone as disloyal to the United States Constitution like Charles Jacobs of CAMERA or the psychotic racist freaks at HonestReporting - who send them some unsubstantiated talking points memo - and people never even do any fact-checking.

American Jews tend to enforce blind conformity, bullying and shaming people into agreeing with a bogus sham written by a Polish immigrant funded indirectly by US taxpayers whose money was illegally laundered through the JCRC. Whatever happened to “Question Authority”?

So many Gentiles fall into this trap and start doing the work of the Zionists, attacking people if they deviate from political correctness. If we could focus on the emotional violence of Israel advocacy techniques we might be able to empower Gentiles to stand up to the psycho Zionists without enduring quite as much emotional pain.

The problem is that Gentiles are taught through emotional pressure and violence via the media and the school system to be very sensitive to Jewish suffering so when a Zionist becomes outraged at them for challenging their world view, the Gentile really has to fight against his own inner self in a huge battle against his "inner Jew" making him feel inadequate and intimidated. But the Jew doesn’t care how much he or she hurts others. Jews only care about what's good for the Jews.

The world needs to intervene to save Jews from their murderous selves, and to save the Palestinians. However, sending in the UN as an occupation force would be an insult to the Palestinians especially given the UN's past record of backing up Israel and neocon wars in general and the previous example of Bosnia. Instead of helping Bosnians, NATO dismantled their country and now uses it as a CIA base for kidnapping white prostitutes to sell to Israel.

Intervention involves convincing world leaders to do the right thing, which seldom happens and does not empower us to action other than begging them.

What is possible and in fact quite easy is to find a way to deal with Zionist Jews in our local area, especially those who are involved in the organizational structures of Zionist organized racism.

Obviously, prosecuting Zionist organizations also requires convincing the establishment to define Zionism as a criminal ideology, like we do Nazism, and going after the leadership.

However, meanwhile, there should be a way for ordinary people to wear down ordinary Jews and their leadership by engaging them in arguments, and so on. The nicey nice "interfaith dialogue" routine is not working to help the situation as it just teaches Gentiles to be friends with Jews by never mentioning Israel's crimes against humanity.

One occasionally effective path for helping Jewish friends snap out of their ideological programming is to simply state the facts over and over again.

Obviously, coming up against a Jewish narcissist is always a painful experience and yet - as with a child molester - you have to intervene. If a person is walking around believing lies that enable violent crime, you would be a BAD person not to mention it to them.

If the Zionists on the local level could be made to feel a bit less comfortable with their ideology, and they were robbed of the freedom that comes with privacy and non-discussion, things could change very fast.

Most people in Israel who want peace say it's the American Jews and other Diaspora lobbies raising the money for the hate propaganda and the campaigns to elect war criminals in Israel and so on. Getting rid of Israel would not solve the problem of this Jewish international crime network. If they lost Israel they would just find something else to mess up. The American Jews are arming the rebels in Darfur now.

Something has to be done to break the spell of hypnosis that these Israel advocacy organizations have put on the local Jews and their intellectually deficient so-called friends. Discrediting the people who are spreading Israeli propaganda to the American public is absolutely paramount.

Part 2

I can't express how much more at peace I feel since I decided not to engage Zionists as friends anymore, but to treat them like people treat any other member of a racist criminal organization like the KKK. I consider a Zionist anyone who believes that Israel must exist as a Jewish State, especially if they are emotional about the issue, because that means they believe Jews have a right to steal from non-Jews, and they believe Jews have more rights than others, which is an indefensible position to maintain.

In the past it was always the other way around. I mention Palestinians, and they would act like I did something bad and not talk to me for some months or years. I used to feel very hurt because I was not trying to offend them. I had actually spoken politely to them. From now on I'm just ignoring them.

Many people deal with Zionists by making light talk and never discuss politics, but I think we should stop doing that since it normalizes their support for racist genocide.

Many Zionists don't call themselves Zionists but to me, a Zionist is someone who would deny Palestinians equal rights in order for the Jews to keep what they stole and call it Israel. They are very brainwashed so it's usually not useful arguing with them. Jewish organizations and synagogues teach classes in linguistic martial arts tactics (how to confuse your opponent etc.) to deflect blame from Jews and Israel. It's extremely dishonest and manipulative. According to the David Project, an organization which teaches these Israel Advocacy techniques and also disseminates Islamophobic misinformation to the public, states that their goal is to diminish the impact of Israel's detractors.

Obviously, those Zionists who are simply ignorant, if they are willing to hear my point of view and to ask questions in a polite way, that's different. But normally they act manipulative and do everything to prevent a normal discussion on Jews/Israel. I once reduced a 50 year old man to hysterical sobbing tears because I told him gently and lovingly that Jews were not that unique. I just told him the Jews, like everyone else, have had good times and bad times. Times when they were slaughtered and other times when they slaughtered others. Just like everyone else. Guess what he did next. He emotionally abused me in an insulting way and then cut off all further communication. Jewish behavior is so predictable that it's truly scary.

Most of the Zionists claim to want a Palestinian State side by side an Israeli state, but as Israel Shamir points out in his book, Flowers of Galilee, it's a political maneuver: a bluff. They are simply taking advantage of your good faith to keep you engaged, to give Israel more time to steal more land. What I tell them is, even if the Jews just stole half of Palestine instead of the whole thing, it's still stealing and they need to give it back and let the refugees come home, according to legal and ethical norms. The UN definition of "genocide" says destroying a people "in whole or in part" so even if they just took part of the land, it's still considered genocide.

The two-state Zionists show their true colors when the issue is cutting off US funding to Israel. They are very attached to the idea of a racist apartheid state for Jews paid for by non-Jews. If you mention cutting off the money or if you mention the possible compromise of living with Palestinians as equals in one state they become very angry and start using bullying tactics, unless they have some reason to fear you, in which case they shun you and complain about you to the authorities, try to get you arrested or try and destroy your career or social status through character assassination.

Rabbi Michael Lerner is a good example of this type of racist. He believes that Jews need to take care of the Palestinians and teach them how to become civilized. He considers stealing Palestinian land as "affirmative action for Jews."

Zionists all believe in the myth of "1000 years of Jewish suffering" and feel that the world owes them compensation for their ancestors' "unique" suffering. It's a criminally insane viewpoint. They cope with the contradictions between their belief that they are the good guys and what Jews are actually doing to their neighbors, both in the Middle East and in the US, by developing mental health issues. Most Zionists are functional schizophrenics.

A few Zionists are not schizophrenic. If you say, "You stole their country," they just say, "Yeah, so? And what are you going to do about it?" I'm actually more willing to deal with those kind of Zionists because at least they are honest, and this does leave some room for discussion. But why. Just as Americans are not required to support Israel, we are not obliged to interact with racists.

41 comments:

Anonymous said...

If Jews of good conscience do nothing to distance themselves from the Zionist’s genocide in Palestine, all the while enjoying the benefits from Zionist Hegemony, there will come a point when the world has had enough of both.
To ignore the killing of innocent women and children so as to not upset your hegemony advantages only makes you complicit with these crimes against humanity.

Remember then that those of us, who objected to killing helpless woman and children, were smeared as anti-Semitic.

Take a moral stand and be part of humanity or carry on and find yourselves once again apart from it, this is your choice.

Anonymous said...

This is without doubt the most comprehensive article about the Jews I've read in all my years of studying the Jewish problem. I place Karin Friedemann right at the top of the scholars who are on a mission to depose the Zionists of their control over the minds of the masses. I put her in the same league with Arthur Koestler and Michael Hoffman, for sure.

Anonymous said...

Fantastic article, I fully agree. I have had my share of problems for exposing my views, not against jews as a religious group ( because thats what they are, not a race as most people still believe) but against zionism. I live in Spain and most people would jump quickly to defend the holocaust if they feel any sort of disagreement. and currently that happens in the bigger scale too, with merkel demanding the vatican to make clear they are against " negationism" ( denial of the holocaust). I think its very important for people to start speaking their minds and leave room for discussion on all matters jewish, especially zionism, the old testament and talmud and the reality of palestine. keep the good work.

Anonymous said...

Karen:

Americans have become wanna be Jews. The only way they will get over their hypnosis is by what is occurring right now. The Jews will utterly destroy the US economy, causing thousands of Americans to starve to death, and then finally the victims will be pissed off enough to act.

The action will be the same as before, only probably far more drastic. Extermination of the Jews is really the only true solution to them, as they are all completely evil. Any attempts throughout history to control them has failed, so only elimination will work.

As an example, look at South Africa. The Jews, through the communist US President Carter, turned a prosperous country into a communist hell hole. Whatever white farmers that were not murdered left for greener pastures. Now, South Africa has no food and no hope.

Jim

Anonymous said...

Your comment regarding the KKK is somewhat under-informed.

I've done a fair bit of research into the post-1920s KKK, and it looks suspiciously to me like a Jewish set up designed to give Jews a target on which to concentrate their anti-racist campaigning.

I think in the light of what we now know about 'anti-racism' activism (always everywhere initiated and sustained by Jews) we need to extend our focus well beyond Zionism.

Anonymous said...

Well said Karin.

I've just read "Zionism, the Enemy of the Jews" by Alan Hart. What desperate times we live in. Here's hoping Jews wake up to peril of and the error in Zionist thinking.

As a Christian living in the UK, I am horrified that my own government seems to have bought into the Zionist project. There are depths to this nightmare that are very hard to plumb. The 'anti-semite- card is still trump and is played fairly thoughtlessly by all parties who exercise authority and influence.
Here's hoping that brave people, Jews and Christians alike, will increasingly be prepared to stand up and speak the truth on this vital matter.
There is a wickedness here that could destroy us all.

DetainThis said...

For reasons unrelated to current subjects, I unsubscribed from the Tikkun mailing list a couple months ago. And after reading "The Emotional Violence of Jewish Advocacy," that decision has never seemed wiser. (BTW: I found your site through ThePeoplesVoice.) Peace and wellness. -Dan Alba

Andromeda said...

For a very interesting discussion of this issue, please visit

http://www.1party4all.co.uk/Home/Account/TopicForm.aspx?topicsId=127

The elements of Holocaust Denial are (the questioning and ultimately) rejection of any of the following:

a) that the Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews and people of Jewish ancestry for extermination as a people;

b) that between five and seven million Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies;

c) and that genocide was carried out at extermination camps using tools of mass murder, such as gas chambers.

Note that is quite easy to be accused of Holocaust Denial should you point out that:

1) The Madagascar Plan (formulated in 1940) is evidence of an intention by the Nazis to expel rather than exterminate. The 'Wannsee Protocol', to a few, contains little that links the conference directly to the Holocaust. The statements in it are open to interpretation, especially the phrase 'final solution'. But very many believe that it was a very clear statement of intent and that the Holocaust followed on from this meeting and document. Hitler himself did not attend the Wannsee Conference of 1942.

2) The figures are in dispute and may be lower.

3) Bishop Richard Williamson and David Irving are convinced that, although there were gas chambers for de-lousing concentration camp inmates, to systematically exterminate Jews using cyanide gas would have required air-tight doors and be very dangerous for those who came to empty the chamber of corpses later. They have repeatedly stated that no such air-tight gas chambers have been found and doubt their existence.

4) No one is denying that many Jews died at the hands of Nazis. What is in dispute is whether they died of exhaustion, disease and the conditions of the camps, or whether they were systematically exterminated. If they were being systematically worked to death, then there is surely at least a slave-master's interest in keeping one's slaves alive so that they may continue working?

You may be very wrong if you think you can discuss these matters in mixed company and escape accusations of Holocaust Denial.

Those who question or deny all or any of the above elements would be Holocaust Deniers according to the following circular logic:

If you are a Revisionist (those who question the Intentionalist Official Version) you are by definition a Reductionist (ie those who would wish to reduce the culpability of Hitler and the Nazis).

If you are Reductionist, you are by definition a Holocaust Denier and therefore an Evil, Racist, Fascist Nazi Sympathiser and Unfit for Decent Society. You may be jailed, as David Irving was, if you live in Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Switzerland.

Anonymous said...

good work. worth a read: 'judaism discovered' by michael hoffman, 'the culture of critique' by prof. kevin macdonald, 'jewish history, jewish religion' by israel shahack, 'the controversy of zion' by douglas reed, 'persecution, privilege and power' by mark green. www.realjewnews.com www.judicial-inc.org check the facts as always. bless your heart

dianevmc said...

Brilliant -

Diane V. McLoughlin, writer
The McLoughlin Post
http://www.mcloughlinpost.com/

kim said...

Your humanism comes through powerfully Karin. Thanks.

Arvind said...

I am from India and I prefer that the Jews rule over Palestine. If Muslims are allowed to create yet another theocracy, it will be another terrible country where they throw stones at women.

There is a factual error in your article. The Jews did not steal Palestine. The Whites of Europe hated the Jews and killed them after sending them to concentration camps. Although only the Nazis are blamed for this, the prevalent attitude among ALL Europeans back then was hatred for the Jews (it is the same today and is the only issue that unites conservatives and so-called liberals). The White Europeans kicked out the Jews out of Europe and that is how Israel was formed.

As for the Muslims, what about multiculturalism in Arab countries? Until they accept others as human beings, they should not be allowed to rule any country. This is a fair demand. After all, Muslims in Israel have more rights than even Muslims in Muslim countries.

Annis said...

I like to read internet news websites in the United States and like everyone else I like to voice an opinion about the news articles. If I dare to state the facts and truth about Jews I always get deleted and then shut out of the site. I am so sick of it I can't stand it.

Today I dared to express an opinion on behalf of the Palestinians and I am shut out of newsvine.com I can no longer post there.

Everyday there are vicious articles against white people at newsvine. Today there are articles against the people of South Carolina by a black man. Yet we are not allowed to even defend ourselves because for white people to seek their own ethnic interests is labeled as racist. Only other groups can do this.

All of this is the result of jews meddleing in the affairs of white peoples' countries and now they have our Christian children in the Middle East killing Muslims and being killed by them on behalf of their ethnic jew, terrorist engine of the world, podunk state.

Jews are attempting to bring about a New World Order because they think they can rule it. The fact is that they will bring about the ultimate, World Wide Jewish Super Holocaust. There won't be a place on the planet where a jew will be safe. They have done enough harm to the rest of the world. Their history should end.

Anonymous said...

Your blog is outstanding. I will post a link to it on my own blog. Keep up the excellent work!

Anonymous said...

Great essay Karin. I see the same thing but I'm not sure how we fight it. Confronting zionists one-on-one seems to harm the confronter more than the confronted. We are unorganized or poorly organized while the zionists are very well organized and hold the high ground of government, media, finance and academia. I sense growing awareness of the problem at the grassroots level but at the top it's just getting worse.

Maju said...

Very nice insightful analysis.

I say that from the distance because, as you may know Jews in Spain (and hence the southern Basque Country, where I live) were forced to assimilate or banished, so there are not many Jews over here (what doesn't mean there is no presence of the Global Zionist Lobby by means of local allies, some very powerful politically and economically). Nevertheless I have found that attitude often online, and I find it outmost nasty and impossible to deal with but with total rejection.

I can't express how much more at peace I feel since I decided not to engage Zionists as friends anymore, but to treat them like people treat any other member of a racist criminal organization like the KKK.

Right! The only fascists I still keep some (minor) windows of dialogue with are my own relatives (sadly I do have fascist relatives and it's a very tiresome relationship to be honest).

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Well, in any case I'm gonna add this blog to my blogroll. Thanks for your deep insight.

Anonymous said...

to arvind,

You need to understand that islam is a religion with different nationalities, throughout the world. Made of different colours and cultures. just like the holocaust your story is all wrong. Do research before opening your mouth. I am indian too, talk about the untouchables in india????? Is that right??? Tell the bloggers about arranged marriges, and forced marriges. When you point a finger, three point back at you. The land that the arabs have was not stolen, iran has never ever invaded a country. Tell everyone about the opression of christians in india??? Guess you cant remeber huh? What different between you and a dirty zionist? we'll stop the rotation of our beloved earth so you and you bjp ilk can jump off.

Anonymous said...

I believe that as long as there is a jew left on earth there are going to be problems.

oscar said...

Karin Friedemann's POV on this issue echoes my own, from my own personal experiences living in the USA for six decades.

Anonymous said...

I am a systems scientist (also jewish) who has been researching the mechanisms of the jewish system on a part time basis for 7 years. This is because my main field is biophysics and complex systems, so i cannot devote myself totally to political science projects.

I think i have unravelled the core jewish pattern and why the jewish system never self blames. I have a thread about this here.

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=668097#post668097

It still early days, and i am working on gathering hard evidence. I am hoping that this theory will help decent jews to understand to what depth, their lives are being manipulated by a sociopathic core which will never, ever change. There is no reasoning or change to this system..ever. To think there is will just get you into deeper water. The only solution for an anxiety free life for yourself and your children, is for the decent creative jews to stop giving their children a jewish upbringing, or alter it so radically that you can escape the eternal cycle of problems that have plagued us for thousands of years, but we still amazingly consider to be the fault of others.

Whitewraithe said...

I commend your honesty and courage for stating the Zionist problem clearly and accurately. I could not agree more.

To Avrind: you should check out revisionist history especially from Michael Hoffman. You will learn that it was Zionist Nazis, many in Hitler's upper ranks, that wanted the extermination of any Jew that refused to enter Palestine to start the Jewish state. Their own people killed them and then propagated this cover story that Hitler hated Jews and so did all Europeans. It is a lie.

I urge all to seek the truth before it's wiped off the Internet as it will be one day, maybe sooner than we think. Also, check out the Revelations blog at http://just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com/. The entire revised history of the Nazis is at this site.

Thanks again, Karin. I'm bookmarking your blog for future reference.

Maju said...

To Avrind: you should check out revisionist history especially from Michael Hoffman. You will learn that it was Zionist Nazis, many in Hitler's upper ranks, that wanted the extermination of any Jew that refused to enter Palestine to start the Jewish state.

AFAIK the Nazis did have plans to get European Jews into Madagascar or maybe Uganda but not really Palestine. They tapped into incipient antizionism and panarabism somewhat in their political games in the Arab World, exploiting the, so much hated (with reason), pro-Zionist attitude of the British.

I think i have unravelled the core jewish pattern and why the jewish system never self blames. I have a thread about this here.

Maybe. But remember that Chirstians and Muslims are also Jewish. They profess the same basic ideology (brainwashing, aka religion).

I believe that as long as there is a jew left on earth there are going to be problems.

Christians and Muslims are also Jewish.

And there are troublemakers in every ethnicity and nation anyhow. Even if there were no Jews (or no whatever) there would be problems of some sort.

As you can see in this site there are also decent honest Jews. And as you can see anywhere, there are also many twisted gentiles as well.

The problem in Palestine has a name: Zionism, not just generically "Jews". There are Jews actively disobeying conscription, manning human rights watchdogs, etc. in Israel itself. And those people are part of the solution, not the problem.

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As the new director of TADP.org, I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical examination. Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize an examination and understanding of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislatures bodies and courthouses.


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RichardE1969 said...

Friedemann is a classic text book case self hater. Just look at this rubbish she writes:

-Instead of helping Bosnians, NATO dismantled their country and now uses it as a CIA base for kidnapping white prostitutes to sell to Israel.

-Most Zionists are functional schizophrenics.

Care to provide any evidence for this garbage, thought not.

Maju said...

Instead of helping Bosnians, NATO dismantled their country...

True. The Croatian Army with NATO sipport was finally, after many years of genocidal standby, smashing the Serbian forces in 1995. Instead of capturing Banja Luka and forcing the Serbians to accept a non-ethic state, they prefered to make peace with them and keep Bosnia divided under NATO protectorate. The main harmed were Bosniaks and the main benefitted the Nazi Republika Srpska and their Russian ally.

Serbs (Russia) and Croats (NATO) were all the time in uneasy connivence to make sure Bosnia was destroyed, as much as possible.

...and now uses it as a CIA base for kidnapping white prostitutes to sell to Israel.

Certainly Bosnia like all UN/NATO military protectorates has provided (and probably is still providing) masses of child prostitutes to the troops in the field. I don't know about the rest but Israel has been denounced in the recent past for being a major destination of female slavery, who, not being Jewish, have no rights under trhe racist Zionist law (and hypocritical Jewish-only "ethics") and are brutally exploited in the many Israeli prostibules. Not that this does not happen in other places but Israeli ultra-racist laws make it impossible for "ilegal immigrants" (even if they have been forced or lured into Israel, which is very common) to make any complaint at all.

Maju said...

As the new director of TADP.org, I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical examination. Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize an examination and understanding of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislatures bodies and courthouses.

I agree. Some European countries are certainly infringing in democracy and historical science with such laws. Still free research can be done in virtually any other country. Realistic figures for the Holocaust seem to be c. 4.5 million Jewish, more than 500,000 Roma and many other people murdered because of ideology, sexual preferences or eugenics. The "6 million" figure is probably an exaggeration (the highest ever mentioned anywhere and a clear round up).

But it doesn't make much difference. It was a full fledged democide and one of the greatest ever crimes against Humanity. But remember it all started with an stance much like the one Israel has now. The "Final Solution" was only put to work in the last years of WWII, earlier the Nazis wanted to deport them somewhere basically.

I believe that with the current trends, if the World does not firmly stand against Israel, we will see a Zionist "Final Solution" program soon.

Jay Draiman said...

NO PALESTINIAN STATE – No land concessions R4.

Imagine that the various people who settled in the United States for the past 300 years decided one day that they one to parcel the United States into an independent State just for them, would the American public go for it. The Answer is absolutely NO.

The situation in Israel today is no different. The Arabs there are not Palestinians, there is no such Arab nation as Palestine or Palestinian people.

Europeans countries today are consisting of numerous people from other countries. Would the Europeans people cede part of their country to set up another State in their midst. The answer is absolutely NO.

All the Arabs in Israel and surrounding areas are from the various Arab nations, such as Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and other Arab nations.

Prominent PLO Arab says there are no 'Palestinians' and no "Palestine"

PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein admitted in a March 31, 1977 interview with a Dutch newspaper Trouw.

"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism. "

The Qur'an 17:104 - states the land belongs to the Jewish people

If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for Muslim Arabs:
"And thereafter we [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".
017.104
YUSUFALI: And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd.
PICKTHAL: And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations.
SHAKIR: And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment.
- Qur'an 17:104 -
Any sincere Muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by Muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Sequence of historical events, agreements and a non-broken series of treaties and resolutions, as laid out by the San Remo Resolution, the League of Nations and the United Nations, gives the Jewish People title to the city of Jerusalem and the rest of Israel totaling approximately 45,000 square miles, as mandated by the League of Nations in July of 1922. The process began at San Remo, Italy, when the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I - Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan - agreed to create a Jewish national home in what is now the Land of Israel. (You might as well break apart Syria which was mandated at the same time).

Jay Draiman.

PS
20 Years of Research Reveals Jerusalem Belongs to Jews


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Maju said...

Draiman:

Obviously you have not given any second thought to your absurd claims. Otherwise you'd know that modern Jews have little to do with ancient Jews, whose most direct descendants are surely Palestinians.

Modern Jews seem to have a mostly Anatolian origin with important inputs, specially via the women, from a variety of local ethnicities as well. From a merely religious viewpoint it seems perfectly justified to claim Christianity and Islam being as Jewish a Talmudic Judaism, if not more (Martillo claims Islam is nothing but an Arabized version of Second Temple Judaism, while it's self-evident that Christianism is just a Hellenized version of Messianic Judaistic doctrine, that was first and foremost active among historical Jews, both in Palestine and the Diaspora).

So you should ask yourself who are the Jews. And this question has many answers, certainly is not a simple one.

Whatever the case, most people in the USA, as you mention that example, acknowledge today that the process of colonization carried on in the 19th century (mostly) was a brutal genocide that has no possible justification. It has no way back, sure, but that does not make it more justifiable.

In the case of Palestine, though, we find a very different reality: first, is not a territory of continental dimensions; second, it is totally surrounded by Arab nations; third, Palestinians are still there, dumped in miserable ghettoes by the occupying forces; fourth the genocide is happening now as we speak, is not a mere historical dark episode from a remote past; fifth, there are now international instruments like the IDHR that are being actively challenged and spit upon by the racist genocidal Zionist regime; sixth, we just do not accept anymore that Europeans can go around grabbing other peoples lands.

Israel arrived a century or more too late to the reality of genocidal colonialism and hence is considered a monster by all people of good will. Without palliatives.

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Anonymous said...

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You assertions are absolutely correct and we need to start treating Zionism for what it is..a criminal enterprise and start bringing to justice the leaders of this criminal network.. We also need to start actinf locally by speaking out, bumper stickers, perhaps protesting in front of synagogues etc..

We cannot let a group who is only 3% of the population terrorize the other 97%. ALL nations need to recognize the threat.. I love your blog.. Thank you.. Keep up the great work..

Sincerely,
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phitzc said...

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jerry gates said...

Karin, very nice article, girlfriend, this is quite a treat to see such wisdom and courage in your work. I am sincerely grateful at having had the opportunity to read your work and comment.

It is so true that once "spoiled" brats do have a tendency to seek out special privilege, even if the decorum of such coveting is negative, Jews who engage in this superiority complex that tempts Jewish groups into cliquish behavior , beneficial to Jews and to the detriment of non Jews..

Better brains for world Jewry were extant and purposeful in days gone by, but zionism, that new kid in the quasi Jewish block, is a bully and nobody likes bullies, except those bought and intimidated friends of Israel.

I like Jewish people, which is why I try to end such fearfulness and "emotional violence' born of fear. Once it may have been fear that made Jewish people clannish and overprotective, now it is avarice, the fear has subsided into a lust for power that the victim's status brings to the Jewish Holocaust mentality.

It is with these truths that so many Jewish people grapple, looking for a better way forward without forsaking tradition, ethnicity or religion that pleases the Jewish soul.

What is evident in these terse times is the re-posturing of many enclaves of world Jewry into more suitable environs for their people. It looks like a clustered assembly of misbegotten people searching for their favorite brand of Jewishness in a crowded market from the outside looking in, but the changes I see are primarily are a turning away from arrogance and greed toward studies in the humanities and permaculture that befit Jews more appropriately if their heritage is invoked to it's fullest potential. Generosity, compassion, newness of life and old school wisdom are the tools of healing and I do see Many such tools in hand and working diligently to make Israel a better nation and not sacrifice Palestine in the process.

It will be a long road to be sure, as it has been for Palestine, but as Israelis remove their astigmatisms to see their brothers and sisters in new light, this brightens up the future for Palestine as well, happiness is contagious.

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Anonymous said...

Regarding the issue of zionism, this article is spot on.


Actually India is only defending itself from the encroachment of abrahamic fanaticism. Funny how all Christian, Jewish and Muslim land is considered to be sacred while people who do not recognize the myth of abraham are not afforded such sanctity. First of all the Caste System ossified under muslim rule. Muslims forced so-called "untouchables" to perform menial chores. Up until that point the caste system was rather flexible, a Brahmin or priest could easily become a trader and vice versa. As for the Christians, these manipulators are distorting history and Indian culture in order to reconcile Indian beliefs with their bible. Similar to how Christians in Europe incorporated pre-christian european culture, tradition and elements and claimed it to be "christianity". These deceptive christians will never stop just like the muslims will not until the whole world is converted to their preferred political division of the same abrahamic world view to worship the same abrahamic god. When Hindus try to defend themselves against these abrahamic madmen their missionaries and forced conversions by muslims and christians they are considered to be fanatics. If anything all of the muslim descendants of Hindus/Buddhists that were forced to convert in Pakistan and Bangladesh should be given an opportunity to return to their native religions instead of being trapped by the abrahamic power structures that disallow an objective assessment of their tyrannical abrahamic beliefs in the history books.

jerry gates said...

Karin . Anonamous, I hear you. let me be frank, I have no ties to any Abrahamic faith group or religion, NONE, I am a free thinking individual and have deep respect for the people of India and Hinduism, Buddhism and have no problem with Indian nationalis, however, the situation in Kashmir is not good for India, Muslims live there and Indian troops are wreaking havoc in their lives, Fix this and the problem with Pakistan is over, I promise. Land which is contended and has a population of Muslims far in excess of that of Hindus belongs to Muslims. Trying to oust or demonise these people, in my mind is a ridiculous national pride that is destroying India. Moaists are people tool they live where they live, if no tolerance for them is found, they will hurt India's reputation further by their plight, unattended by international peace keepers, they will surly die and hard, this is an embarrassment to India as Arundati Roy has illustrated and democracy, in this wise , is a farce.

That said, India has every right to judiciously administer justice based on Law. It is a hard situation which requires honesty an forthrightness to consider with all sides represented, Hindus are not alone in India, neither do they dictate outside of their base, so it is encumbent in India to retain, find a place for and incorporate these people inti Indian siciety as had been done previously in Hindu Culture, All dieties and pastimes were respected then, why not Now, East answer, nationalist fervor with brainless money driven ousting of indigenous Indian people, which is not good government and is also not the fault of Abraham, Scape goating religions outside of ones own sphere is a cop out that India would do well to shed as an excuse for corporate greed. It is greed that corrupts India, not outside religions pressing in. If Indian elites bring in Jews, Christians and Muslims and have converts in theoir folds that seek the ouster of indigeounous people to mine their land, this is a legal battle that needs to be fought, not a religious affront to Indian culture.

Jesus stood up for the frowned upon untouchables, he did not steal their land nor condone theft of land or corruption of culture, people do this greedy people with the complicity of Indian elites. If India wants to shed Abrahamic peoples from their land, this is disgusting. Try bringing ISSUES to light fighting the issues without religious bias and then and only then does Indian culture ands faith shine as it should.

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